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  We are not prophets, we do not prophesy -Watchtower

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  the title says it all.

  is it true?.

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  FatFreek 2005

  The title says it all. Is it true?
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  They would Stone us if the law would allow

  by ElderEtta in

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  several years ago unless i was dreaming i read a watchtower quotation that effectively said that they would execute us as disfellowshipped individuals if the law would allow.. was i dreaming?.

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  In defense of the OP I was at an apostafest some 3 years ago where this subject drew heated attention. The question was raised as to how old that publication was when it was published. More important, the question was raised as to whether WT had rescinded that teaching. None of us knew the answers.

  However, one of the group, a recent exiting elder told us this: that just before he resigned, a soon-to-be disfellowshipped (use of tobacco) person (gender not important) lamented how he/she was told by the elders that if he/she was living in the days of the Israelites he would be getting stoned to death! The person was understandably taken aback at this statement and justified to him/herself that this elder's statement was the key to refusing to attend a subsequent meeting with the judicial committee. Naturally, that person was disfellowshipped.

  Getting back home from this fest I dug into my WT Lib for this topic. While this all can be considered anecdotal, I found no evidence from WT publications that they've rescinded what they said back in 1952.

  I suppose that can be said of many silly WT teachings of the past. However, the onus is on their back, not ours, to defend teachings they’ve published.

  As to quoting old publications, Watchtower literature has no qualms referring to early Zion's Watch Tower magazines when it suits their purpose, reinforcing whatever it wants to show its readers. . A case in point, among many, is from a recent Watchtower magazine: “One of the reasons why Zion’s Watch Tower was first published in July 1879 was to defend the Bible teaching of the ransom. Its pages provided "food at the proper time," for in the late 1800’s, a growing number of professed Christians began to question how Jesus’ death could be a ransom for our sins.” The Watchtower 2010, 8/15 p. 12 par. 2.

  That Zion’s Watch Tower reference reasonably implies that there is no statute of limitations for "food at the proper time". And it is only one of some 360 references to the older “Zion's Watch Tower” (1879-1908) within its modern literature since 1950.

  [I find it interesting that in an essay I wrote in 2012, the number of WT Library finds to their abbreviation “ZWT” [for Zion’s Watch Tower] was 1,507 instances . Moments ago, however, using my more recent 2013 Library, searching for the term “ZWT” yielded a “not valid” response]
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  They would Stone us if the law would allow

  by ElderEtta in

  1. watchtower
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  several years ago unless i was dreaming i read a watchtower quotation that effectively said that they would execute us as disfellowshipped individuals if the law would allow.. was i dreaming?.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Amen to that, Steve2.
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  Is that a pumpkin in your window, brother?

  by Fatfreek in

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  the circuit overseer, henry judson, came up to me during the circuit assembly.

  "brother miller, it's been reported that your family may have a pumpkin in your window.

  " he waited for an answer although he never asked a question.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Thanks, Sparky1. I moved to the midwest after graduating high school in '58 but Mom and Dad kept me posted and many of those names sound familiar.

  
  

  The pic above is my newly baptized and smiling dad, Wesley Miller, Fred Franz among admirers left to right, Bill Silva, Bob Morris, and Frank Gonsalves.

  I understand Bill Silva and wife Veronica went into Circuit work.

  Len Miller
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  Is that a pumpkin in your window, brother?

  by Fatfreek in

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  the circuit overseer, henry judson, came up to me during the circuit assembly.

  "brother miller, it's been reported that your family may have a pumpkin in your window.

  " he waited for an answer although he never asked a question.

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  FatFreek 2005

  I just looked up Franz's age and he was born in 1893 which would make him some 63 years old when the pic was taken. Judson, though he looked older, was born in 1899, some 6 years younger than Franz.
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  Is that a pumpkin in your window, brother?

  by Fatfreek in

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  the circuit overseer, henry judson, came up to me during the circuit assembly.

  "brother miller, it's been reported that your family may have a pumpkin in your window.

  " he waited for an answer although he never asked a question.

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  FatFreek 2005

  I'm amazed, Sparky1, that someone on this forum remembers him and is contemporary with me. I will turn 78 next week and still remember that year of 1956 well. We had that circuit assembly in New Bedford in the fall of that year. During that same year we had a visit of "celebrities" from Bethel, giving us a weekend's worth of special talks. Included in attendance was Fred Franz (on the left) engaged with a smiling Henry Hudson.

  
  

  Hudson was living near either Taunton or Brockton. He had a daughter, Shirley, who attended our New Bedford congregation, which was on the third floor of the Lumiansky Insurance building. That's where the above photo was taken by this 15 year old (me) with a cheapo Kodak camera I'd gotten for Christmas two years earlier (when we celebrated holidays).

  It so happens that we now have a wonderful internet which provided some details of Shirley and her father. See capture below. Apparently, she and husband lived across the Acushnet River from New Bedford in Fairhaven. Len Miller.

  
  
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  Hey jesus! So tell us all about heaven!

  by nowwhat? in

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  i always wondered, how come the apostles never asked jesus what heaven is like compare to earth.

  and wouldn't they be bugging jesus to tell them all kind of stories of such?.

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  And Jesus was forgetful.

  recall when he said in Matthew that “this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”

  He neglected to say " this overlapping generation". How thoughtless
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  Is that a pumpkin in your window, brother?

  by Fatfreek in

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  the circuit overseer, henry judson, came up to me during the circuit assembly.

  "brother miller, it's been reported that your family may have a pumpkin in your window.

  " he waited for an answer although he never asked a question.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Bump
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  1975—Were You Affected By What 1975 Was Supposed to Bring?

  by minimus in

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  for years , we were told to wait until 1975!.

  the end was coming and we better be ready—or else!.

  were you around during this “momentous “ time??

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  FatFreek 2005

  It was the year 1977 before my my eyes opened

  The link to my story follows

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5746296582307840/my-bucket-list-letter-my-sons-41-years-after-leaving-wt
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  My bucket list letter to my sons, 41 years after leaving WT

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  several months ago i finally sent them a letter.

  they are from the group of die-hards that continue to shun their father.

  the following is a paste of part of the first page.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Have you heard anything back from them yet?

  Indirectly, yes. Fortunately, another son, never baptized was told by G*** that he scanned the letter. That's about it. I know both of them received it.

  Yes, DOC, I am now close to 78 and naively waited this long to put this to rest. Perhaps the letter will help someone else since it is now posted online.

  To those who haven't read it it's actually an exposé of the 1975 debacle and how it paralleled the 1925 fiasco exactly 50 years prior. It reveals several WT lies and coverups as they tried to alibi their way out of both muddles. Some of us put our tails between our legs and accepted the blame for these teachings as they attempted to shift it onto our shoulders. Some of us, myself included, refused to accept a blame that has always been that of Watchtower's governing body.

  Len